tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2428374771421713311.post3809402236222363643..comments2024-03-10T12:04:17.661-07:00Comments on The Oracle at Delphi: What about Personal and Trial editions of Delphi 2006?Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10119008505905401707noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2428374771421713311.post-14084699718213295812006-01-30T17:11:29.000-08:002006-01-30T17:11:29.000-08:00Confusion about licencing. The licence.rtf on the ...Confusion about licencing. <br><br>The licence.rtf on the media that I have says <br><br>"You may use the Product or any Works for any<br><br>commercial or business purpose ("Commercial Purpose")<br><br>provided that you are an Individual." <br><br><br>And the licence file i got from the Borland site says that I may NOT use the software for commercial use. <br><br><br>So which is it ?Claude Coetzernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2428374771421713311.post-23659860079036885882006-09-04T21:24:25.000-07:002006-09-04T21:24:25.000-07:00I have been using Delphi 7, successfully, for some...I have been using Delphi 7, successfully, for some time now. I have three applications and about seventy customers. My question is this: Will Delphi 2006 compile my existing code, or will I need to re-write?Colinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2428374771421713311.post-78358059080684634112006-01-20T02:51:41.000-08:002006-01-20T02:51:41.000-08:00The cheapest edition costs $1,090. Sorry, I am a p...The cheapest edition costs $1,090. Sorry, I am a poor student. My limit is approx. $200-250.Ralf Stockernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2428374771421713311.post-65717959078134702822006-01-22T23:11:18.000-08:002006-01-22T23:11:18.000-08:00Sorry Allen, as much as I respect and am thankful ...Sorry Allen, as much as I respect and am thankful for the work in the unofficial patches you helped release with respect to Delphi 2005, I can completely understand other customers point of view.<br><br><br>I have been a very big Delphi advocate for years, and sadly was let down by Delphi 8 and 2005 in terms of daily stability of the IDE. Crashes (between 10 and 30 a day not being uncommon) and long waits for restart do tend to get on your productivity.<br><br><br>Whilst I understand your business point of view of the release of trial versions, I too would have to agree with others that I was told previously that the IDE stability issues were gone with the release of Delphi 2005 and sadly I was let down, again. I can definitely understand others desire to see if the marketing comments are just more sales hype or if things have actually been fixed to the point where our beloved development tool is once again a benefit too us, and not a productivity drain.<br><br><br>Its disappointing to be told that stability has been fixed, and we have to pay another 1000+ for an Architect version we cant yet try to see if it has actually been fixed. Look I would love to trust everyones word, but twice let down does make you cautious about wanting to part with more money.<br><br><br>I love Delphi, I really do and I really do hope it meets up to the claims you are all making about it, but I hope you can (albeit if you cant comment publicly) understand why we would be cautious given the recent history of two versions?<br><br><br>Thank you for your post though, it always makes interesting reading. :)Scottnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2428374771421713311.post-17635047188227817172006-01-23T13:41:02.000-08:002006-01-23T13:41:02.000-08:00(I should have proofread before posting; my apolog...(I should have proofread before posting; my apologies for those who care)ZPnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2428374771421713311.post-23084556423915709642006-01-18T05:25:45.000-08:002006-01-18T05:25:45.000-08:00bla bla bla, Borland just cares about the money, s...bla bla bla, Borland just cares about the money, screw DelphiDelphianhttp://www.delphian.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2428374771421713311.post-55644107679971233832006-01-18T13:02:40.000-08:002006-01-18T13:02:40.000-08:00Allen, the buzz index is high for trial and standa...Allen, the buzz index is high for trial and standard editions because BDS 2006 is so good. People are anxious to share a great product with others. And others would like to experience what is so great for themselves. So, accept the demand as commentary on a job well done.<br><br><br>I am sure Borland marketing will consider how to best take advantage of this buzz when reviewing the issue of trial and standard editions. Strike while the iron is hot as the adage goes.Kyle Millernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2428374771421713311.post-44800140789780762492006-01-18T16:25:36.000-08:002006-01-18T16:25:36.000-08:00Problem is, MS can afford to make VS free for the ...Problem is, MS can afford to make VS free for the year (its not free forever at this time) because they rake in so much through other products. Borland are the betamax of the video world, its better, but, MS have just such a huge market share of the computing world that while borland are (IMHO) better at their languages, so many people see the word microsoft and assume better, but, because MS have money all but growing on trees, MS can afford to entice people away from anything....(see visio, and all the other apps they bought out over the years)Liz Kimbernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2428374771421713311.post-15488950003192092262006-01-18T23:22:34.000-08:002006-01-18T23:22:34.000-08:00Trial and Personal would be good, another update f...Trial and Personal would be good, another update for Delphi 2005 even betterJannisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2428374771421713311.post-10986984093553625102006-02-13T21:30:45.000-08:002006-02-13T21:30:45.000-08:00What about downloading it with EDonkey? :>What about downloading it with EDonkey? :>Cocknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2428374771421713311.post-35156373203661005652006-01-18T05:36:35.000-08:002006-01-18T05:36:35.000-08:00Of course we care about the money. Borland is not...Of course we care about the money. Borland is not a charity. We're in the business of providing a product that the customers use. In return for that they pay for it. Simple, no? We can espouse all the various virtues and benefits of the product, but in the end, if people don't buy it.. it will cease to exist.Allen Bauernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2428374771421713311.post-45578660380574825902006-01-18T06:32:10.000-08:002006-01-18T06:32:10.000-08:00Delphian, what do you expect? Free? Maybe you shou...Delphian, what do you expect? Free? Maybe you should look for open source projects instead. Maybe Lazarus perhaps? <br><br><br>It's totally unrealistic to assume Enterprise software of this calibre and diversity to be anything less than what costs Borland to develop.<br><br><br>I do however, think that Borland's Marketing and associated Partner's program should do a much better job instead of wallowing in it's pitiful state.<br><br><br>Chris WChris Wnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2428374771421713311.post-28507361751959276192006-01-18T07:18:19.000-08:002006-01-18T07:18:19.000-08:00"but in the end, if people don't buy it....."but in the end, if people don't buy it.. it will cease to exist."<br><br><br>at least you are being clear now<br><br><br>"Maybe you should look for open source projects instead. Maybe Lazarus perhaps?"<br><br>or perhaps developers should move on to MS Visual Studio, much cheaper and with the alternative to have the express editions, and MANY developers have already done that, and given the current Delphi situation I don't see why they would come back or how you would get new people to try Delphi<br><br><br>"I do however, think that Borland's Marketing and associated Partner's program should do a much better job instead of wallowing in it's pitiful state."<br><br><br>that is the whole pointDelphianhttp://www.delphian.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2428374771421713311.post-52642670316596242792006-01-18T09:36:21.000-08:002006-01-18T09:36:21.000-08:00I've been using Delphi and its predecessor sin...I've been using Delphi and its predecessor since Turbo Pascal 2, and I lament that it is no longer a cheap product.<br><br><br>I have no problem having to wait for a free version, but I'd like to see a cheap paid-for personal edition that included bug-fix updates and source code of the standard units. And if I'm paying for it, why shouldn't it be available soon after introduction?Philip J. Raymentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2428374771421713311.post-15453368358142770362006-01-18T10:13:16.000-08:002006-01-18T10:13:16.000-08:00I think BDS 2006 looks great, but as a recent univ...I think BDS 2006 looks great, but as a recent university graduate i can't afford to buy it. Especially when the Visual Studio Express editions are free.<br><br><br>I wonder how much of your new market you are losing by not having a free/cheap personal edition?<br><br><br>Chinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2428374771421713311.post-46388461621072183862006-01-18T16:28:56.000-08:002006-01-18T16:28:56.000-08:00I very rarely post comments to blogs, but this one...I very rarely post comments to blogs, but this one I really cannot help myself.<br><br><br>I've used enterprise versions of Delphi since Delphi 1 so I don't object to the pricing of that level of software for the quality I'm receiving. BUT, what still holds Delphi back is the lack of availability to grass roots programmers. It's no good holding back 'cheaper' editions until after the $$$ have been creamed out of a new version, the buzz is gone then.. Release it at the same time everyone is raving about a new version, and new users will come to it. <br><br><br>Buy it, and use the 30 day moneyback option... Oh please, I know I wouldn't be willing to essentially pay a large sum for a demo I didn't know if I wanted to use.. even if I was promised that money back at a later date.<br><br><br>I think this post really does show how out of touch Borland is getting.. (and this is from a supporter!!)Graham Knoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2428374771421713311.post-83938964579123995282006-01-18T18:24:07.000-08:002006-01-18T18:24:07.000-08:00I must concur with everyting Pete Goodwin has writ...I must concur with everyting Pete Goodwin has written. I even emailed DavidI about my concerns some time ago but have yet to receive a reply.<br><br><br>I purchase a copy of Delphi for my own company's use (and have done since version 1) and the company I also do work for uses Delphi. We have not gone ahead and bought Delphi 2006. Why? I'm not going to get "burned again"!<br><br><br>I am seriously evaluating Visual Studio as we can easily convert to C#.<br><br><br>Borland need to very seriously need to address the concern of those of us who got burned by D2005.John Lavellehttp://www.jql.co.uknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2428374771421713311.post-3059395955171024352006-01-18T23:39:45.000-08:002006-01-18T23:39:45.000-08:00Since we're venting opinions...I am extremely ...Since we're venting opinions...<br><br><br>I am extremely happy with Delphi 2006. So far the very worst problems (and there are still problems) are trivial and easy to work around. Traffic on non-tech has been quite positive with few serious problems and even a surprising lack of "questionable" issues. Very good job. Thanks.<br><br><br>I'm very interested in hearing what Borland has planned for a personal edition. I agree with the news group argument that it will help attract new users and would be very helpful for some open source projects.Bruce McGeenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2428374771421713311.post-45584941993737859372006-01-19T01:20:28.000-08:002006-01-19T01:20:28.000-08:00Great comments folks. Some very apropos. One thi...Great comments folks. Some very apropos. One thing that this topic seems to bring out is the assumption that there *won't* be a trial version. I think you can all agree that our top priority is to make sure the folks that have actually given us money are handled first. Seems like a good plan from a customer relationship angle. None of what I mentioned said anything about there never being a trial or personal version. The only real variable here, especially with the trial version, is the timing. We rely on many diffrerent sources of data in order to decide what the best timing would be for a trial release.<br><br><br>As for the personal editions, those are discussed and debated at length internally. I agree with much of the reasons we *should* produce a personal edition. I also agree that the timing needs to be done very carefully. Marketing is as much a psychological game as it is a tactical and strategic one. A methodical/staged roll-out will serve to keep attention and press tuned into the Borland channel for longer.Allen Bauerhttp://blogs.codegear.com/abauernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2428374771421713311.post-17005336117633758732006-01-19T10:32:08.000-08:002006-01-19T10:32:08.000-08:00I purchased 2005 when it first came out (as I have...I purchased 2005 when it first came out (as I have for each and every other version of Delphi). Although I have never released a single win32 or .NET application using this version, I have produced ASP.NET applications, even though there were many IDE bugs, that I had to work around. I have already pruchased 2006 (so you are talking to the devoted here). I must say that I do still feel as though I have re-purchsed a properly working 2005. Yes, I know there are some changes, however, too many are things that should have been woring before 2005 was released. I am a one-man shop so I really resent the fact that I am paying for ECO, together, starteam and whatever other "enterprise" features that have been crammed down my... Now a quick question for all you gurus... hopefully someone will be kind enough to reply... Can BDS 2005 and BDS 2006 co-exist on a single computer? I know that MS advertises the fact that VS can. If you would rather not start this thread here please point me to the appropriate place or contact me at rhazell@microcalm.com. Thanks. P.S. Delphi seriously rocks... it's a shame that so few know this!Ricknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2428374771421713311.post-10419167079324282472006-01-20T01:52:25.000-08:002006-01-20T01:52:25.000-08:00I would just like to concur with others here. I h...I would just like to concur with others here. I have been an Enterprise SKU purchaser since V1. I am normally an early-ish adopter as I used to do a lot of training and with the exception of D4, each version has been a leap ahead of the last.<br><br><br>I want to get into ECOII, but none of my clients want or need to leap yet, they still want D7 W32.<br><br><br>I purchased D2005 Architect, installed, tested, uninistalle and thought the writing was on the wall after D8, then D2005.<br><br><br>I am extremely pleased about the views and reviews of D2006, but find myself in a catch 22, in addition to having a slight grudge about the wasted cash on 2005. I think more than any other version (other than 1), the trial is important.<br><br><br>My ££'s will stay in my pocket until I can prove the worth and try and get some enthusiasm in my clientbase. I have no problem paying for it when I get paid for my work.<br><br><br>Keep up the good work, and yield to the pressure.<br><br><br>JAC<br><br>Jason Chapmanhttp://www.jac2.co.uknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2428374771421713311.post-16327183440246671912006-01-22T15:18:05.000-08:002006-01-22T15:18:05.000-08:00Instead of a free personal edition, wouldn't i...Instead of a free personal edition, wouldn't it be a good idea to release separate personalities for a reduced price?<br><br>Lot's of people are hesitant, just because they don't need the full blown IDE. So they stay on the older versions instead...Fritz Hubernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2428374771421713311.post-73050178530279546332006-01-23T13:31:01.000-08:002006-01-23T13:31:01.000-08:00I concur with Graham K's post. The whole strat...I concur with Graham K's post. <br><br><br>The whole strategy seems to be to squeeze as much money possible from those who are naive enough to put the money upfront. Well, guess what?! Someone who's willing to give you all that money without testing it would most likely buy the product anyway. So what is Borland losing? All the money invested in marketing -- which seems non-existing btw. Other than those who are willing to blindly give their money to Borland, there are those who:<br><br>1. got burned in the past and will hold back for a trial, by that time the "new smell" of the product is long gone and these will be less willing to give away their money -- it's basic human psychology, or<br><br>2. have never use the product before, read a review in some article and would like to see what the buzz is all about. Most these people are lost for good because when they go to Borland's site there's no trial version. Do you think they would diligently check back with Borland every month to make sure they've release the trial version so that Borland can put up their "best look"? Dream on.<br><br><br>And releasing a free version in a magazine only edition?! What kind of message is that sending? You need to buy a magazine you don't care for -- and most likely have only access to by ordering online -- just to give Borland's product a chance?! You can do this only when you have a huge marketing machine, and even then it would be suicide not to release it to everybody. You guys need to get a grip.<br><br>ZPnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2428374771421713311.post-24021704678855087472006-01-24T01:08:54.000-08:002006-01-24T01:08:54.000-08:00Not willing to pop your bubble, but if fear of &qu...Not willing to pop your bubble, but if fear of "de-trialing" (aka piracy) of the trial version is in anyone's arguments at Borland for not releasing a trial early, then a severe reality check is needed: the full version got on P2P networks days before the box got delivered by snail mail here...<br><br><br>We monitor the announces sites to track illegal release of our products and keep in contact with countermeasures to our protections, I wholeheartedly suggest Borlanders should do the same in a regular, formal fashion, so as to ensure a minimal, real-world awareness of the higher executive levels.Johnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2428374771421713311.post-74694863898269912652006-01-24T07:44:32.000-08:002006-01-24T07:44:32.000-08:00What about Shareware developers? Many great share...What about Shareware developers? Many great shareware products are written in Delphi by Hobbyists. A price of 1K is a bit high for a shareware developer. A standard version that offers similar features as Pro but priced for this market would be a big benefit for Borland as to not alienate these shareware developers. Any version marketed like this should be priced reasonably - say $200 to $400 range and should be able to be used to produce commercial software, that is ones where shareware developers can charge for a unlimited version of their product as is common.<br><br><br>I think you will find that alot of the early contributions to free components and the Delphi community was done by alot of these shareware or small retail product developers. So Borland, don't alienate these loyal consumers of yours, they contribute to the Delphi community in other ways that are valuable.Jeff C.noreply@blogger.com